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		<title>Comment on Cow-pooling &#8211; save money on buying meat by Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 21:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kaye and others,

I can arrange all the details for your required amount of processed frozen packs being sent to you. I am a qualified butcher and farmer, so I can get through all the issues to legally supply you with beef, sheep, pork etc.

Please contact me on 0273254535.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kaye and others,</p>
<p>I can arrange all the details for your required amount of processed frozen packs being sent to you. I am a qualified butcher and farmer, so I can get through all the issues to legally supply you with beef, sheep, pork etc.</p>
<p>Please contact me on 0273254535.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cow-pooling &#8211; save money on buying meat by Mad Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.meateaters.co.nz/news/cow-pooling-save-money-on-buying-meat/comment-page-1/#comment-1093</link>
		<dc:creator>Mad Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 02:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi all,

I also saw the Sunday program on cow pooling. I can probably help as I&#039;m a qualified meat retailer(shop butcher), I farm, I&#039;ve had a homekill business in the South Island, I was selling meat packaging to the meat plants around NZ, and I have contacts for you to purchase a suitable animal.
I am wanting to set up a business service to provide the quality and meat quantity, cut to each owner&#039;s/purchaser&#039;s requirements, and arrange delivery.

From my experience as long as you get the cattle, sheep, pig or goat killed at a MAF approved site, you can buy the animal off the farmer for your consumption and money changing hands.

a)Suitable animal = To give you the best chance of ending up with &#039;tender&#039; frying/grilling cuts, it is important that the animal has been grown at good industry growth rates ie: KG/live weight by the 18-20 months of age. If the animal grows too slow, then the animal is under stress and the chance of tough meat increases.
b) Killing methods = An animal killed in it&#039;s normal paddock and routines is more likely to be die with less stress, which can be a contributor to toughening the meat. If you were to go to the meat works you would see and hear a very different atmosphere.
c) Ageing the meat = The best way to age the meat is to hang it on the bonwe for at least a week. Eating the frying/grilling cuts &#039;fresh&#039; is not advised. Any cuts of meat minced, cooked slow suasages or corned will be &#039;tender&#039;.

d)Vacuum packed, gas flushed versus frozen, health risks versus cheaper than supermarkets = more to come...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all,</p>
<p>I also saw the Sunday program on cow pooling. I can probably help as I&#8217;m a qualified meat retailer(shop butcher), I farm, I&#8217;ve had a homekill business in the South Island, I was selling meat packaging to the meat plants around NZ, and I have contacts for you to purchase a suitable animal.<br />
I am wanting to set up a business service to provide the quality and meat quantity, cut to each owner&#8217;s/purchaser&#8217;s requirements, and arrange delivery.</p>
<p>From my experience as long as you get the cattle, sheep, pig or goat killed at a MAF approved site, you can buy the animal off the farmer for your consumption and money changing hands.</p>
<p>a)Suitable animal = To give you the best chance of ending up with &#8216;tender&#8217; frying/grilling cuts, it is important that the animal has been grown at good industry growth rates ie: KG/live weight by the 18-20 months of age. If the animal grows too slow, then the animal is under stress and the chance of tough meat increases.<br />
b) Killing methods = An animal killed in it&#8217;s normal paddock and routines is more likely to be die with less stress, which can be a contributor to toughening the meat. If you were to go to the meat works you would see and hear a very different atmosphere.<br />
c) Ageing the meat = The best way to age the meat is to hang it on the bonwe for at least a week. Eating the frying/grilling cuts &#8216;fresh&#8217; is not advised. Any cuts of meat minced, cooked slow suasages or corned will be &#8216;tender&#8217;.</p>
<p>d)Vacuum packed, gas flushed versus frozen, health risks versus cheaper than supermarkets = more to come&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cow-pooling &#8211; save money on buying meat by Thrash Cardiom</title>
		<link>http://www.meateaters.co.nz/news/cow-pooling-save-money-on-buying-meat/comment-page-1/#comment-1089</link>
		<dc:creator>Thrash Cardiom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2012 06:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a price list. Comparison with Lake Farm (LF)

LF = Quarter - 40kg pack  $678  $16.95/kg split over a maximum of 8 months in lots of 10kgs or 20kgs at a time

FG = Quarter - from $490.00 - $560.00. 

FG price is the price per kg of the beast PRIOR to processing so its before all the bits you don&#039;t want are removed. 

LF price includes storage should you not want the whole lot at once.

My guess is you are right.  They are pretty comparable.  $16.95 per kg for high quality beef (and the LF beef is outstanding in my opinion) is a pretty good price when you consider supermarket prices start close to that for the better stuff (ie topside mince) and go up to $40+ per kg for fillets.

LF also do a range of sausages and other smallgoods.  I&#039;ve had their flavoured sausages and their standard ones and even the standard ones are full of flavour, moist but not fatty etc.

I might buy some lamb from Farmgate and see how that pans out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a price list. Comparison with Lake Farm (LF)</p>
<p>LF = Quarter &#8211; 40kg pack  $678  $16.95/kg split over a maximum of 8 months in lots of 10kgs or 20kgs at a time</p>
<p>FG = Quarter &#8211; from $490.00 &#8211; $560.00. </p>
<p>FG price is the price per kg of the beast PRIOR to processing so its before all the bits you don&#8217;t want are removed. </p>
<p>LF price includes storage should you not want the whole lot at once.</p>
<p>My guess is you are right.  They are pretty comparable.  $16.95 per kg for high quality beef (and the LF beef is outstanding in my opinion) is a pretty good price when you consider supermarket prices start close to that for the better stuff (ie topside mince) and go up to $40+ per kg for fillets.</p>
<p>LF also do a range of sausages and other smallgoods.  I&#8217;ve had their flavoured sausages and their standard ones and even the standard ones are full of flavour, moist but not fatty etc.</p>
<p>I might buy some lamb from Farmgate and see how that pans out.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cow-pooling &#8211; save money on buying meat by Alan</title>
		<link>http://www.meateaters.co.nz/news/cow-pooling-save-money-on-buying-meat/comment-page-1/#comment-1088</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2012 04:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Thrash - I&#039;ve signed up to their newsletter (Farmgate) - nothing received yet. I reckon they&#039;ll be similar pricing to Lake Farm Beef by the time it gets to your door.

Lake Farm Beef are now doing a &#039;cow-pooling&#039;special where you can commit to getting half a beast but it&#039;s only sent out to you in small packages when you need it. It&#039;s a good idea and eliminates the need to freeze all the good cuts. But it&#039;s still likely to be more expensive than supermarkets but obviously at a much much higher quality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Thrash &#8211; I&#8217;ve signed up to their newsletter (Farmgate) &#8211; nothing received yet. I reckon they&#8217;ll be similar pricing to Lake Farm Beef by the time it gets to your door.</p>
<p>Lake Farm Beef are now doing a &#8216;cow-pooling&#8217;special where you can commit to getting half a beast but it&#8217;s only sent out to you in small packages when you need it. It&#8217;s a good idea and eliminates the need to freeze all the good cuts. But it&#8217;s still likely to be more expensive than supermarkets but obviously at a much much higher quality.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Homekill regulations in New Zealand by Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 20:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no doubt that it&#039;s cheaper to have an animal slaughtered on the farm and then processed directly by a butcher. The TVNZ Sunday programme confirmed that with perhaps 50% savings.

Now that we know it&#039;s legal to buy an animal off a farmer and have it legally slaughtered in an abattoir we could ALL save that money. 

Astro is correct in saying that the taste benefits of an ethically grown organic animal far outweighs the taste experience of supermarket meat. But, currently we can&#039;t legally have an animal slaughtered on the farm (by a home-kill service) unless you own the farm, or the animal, or both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no doubt that it&#8217;s cheaper to have an animal slaughtered on the farm and then processed directly by a butcher. The TVNZ Sunday programme confirmed that with perhaps 50% savings.</p>
<p>Now that we know it&#8217;s legal to buy an animal off a farmer and have it legally slaughtered in an abattoir we could ALL save that money. </p>
<p>Astro is correct in saying that the taste benefits of an ethically grown organic animal far outweighs the taste experience of supermarket meat. But, currently we can&#8217;t legally have an animal slaughtered on the farm (by a home-kill service) unless you own the farm, or the animal, or both.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Homekill regulations in New Zealand by Astro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Astro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 13:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Real cost of Home Grown Beef....

Hi frees,

Try not to think of the real cost as dollars and cents.  The REAL cost is a safer healthier product, presuming you raise an organic animal(Certified organic meat is very expensive in any case, so the cash savings would be immediate here).
 
The real costs are a healthy happy animal slaughtered humanely, pure organic meat, and reduced health concerns for you down the line due to consuming a more natural product.

I would rather eat that meat than meat from an animal under great stress at the time of slaughter (son worked in a works, trust me the animals know exactly what is happening to their mates and they suffer immense emotional trauma at the time of their slaughter. Very bad for the meat).  Also supermarket bought meat is raised on chemically fertilised pastures and pumped with too many drugs, and may not even be New Zealand sourced product.

If you are able to produce home grown, consider yourself fortunate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Real cost of Home Grown Beef&#8230;.</p>
<p>Hi frees,</p>
<p>Try not to think of the real cost as dollars and cents.  The REAL cost is a safer healthier product, presuming you raise an organic animal(Certified organic meat is very expensive in any case, so the cash savings would be immediate here).</p>
<p>The real costs are a healthy happy animal slaughtered humanely, pure organic meat, and reduced health concerns for you down the line due to consuming a more natural product.</p>
<p>I would rather eat that meat than meat from an animal under great stress at the time of slaughter (son worked in a works, trust me the animals know exactly what is happening to their mates and they suffer immense emotional trauma at the time of their slaughter. Very bad for the meat).  Also supermarket bought meat is raised on chemically fertilised pastures and pumped with too many drugs, and may not even be New Zealand sourced product.</p>
<p>If you are able to produce home grown, consider yourself fortunate.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Homekill regulations in New Zealand by The Kindest Cut of Meat on TV One</title>
		<link>http://www.meateaters.co.nz/news/homekill-regulations-in-new-zealand/comment-page-1/#comment-1078</link>
		<dc:creator>The Kindest Cut of Meat on TV One</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 02:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] comments, I&#8217;d love to hear from you.Also, anyone interested in cowpooling should read about homekill laws in NZ as well as knowing that you can still get a cow and have it slaughtered at the freezing works. It [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] comments, I&#8217;d love to hear from you.Also, anyone interested in cowpooling should read about homekill laws in NZ as well as knowing that you can still get a cow and have it slaughtered at the freezing works. It [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cow-pooling &#8211; save money on buying meat by Thrash Cardiom</title>
		<link>http://www.meateaters.co.nz/news/cow-pooling-save-money-on-buying-meat/comment-page-1/#comment-1076</link>
		<dc:creator>Thrash Cardiom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2012 18:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are quite a few places that kill beasts on their farm, package the meat and ship it round the country.   Usually they are premium prices though.  As an example, I occasionally buy meat from Lake Farm Beef, http://lakefarmbeef.co.nz/, which sell very high quality beef processed into cuts and smallgoods.  They are more expensive than a supermarket.

Angus beef is generally considered to be pretty good.  I&#039;d be interested in seeing the Farmgate prices if anyone wants to post them.  It could well be cheaper than buying from other places if they are doing bulk kills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are quite a few places that kill beasts on their farm, package the meat and ship it round the country.   Usually they are premium prices though.  As an example, I occasionally buy meat from Lake Farm Beef, <a href="http://lakefarmbeef.co.nz/" rel="nofollow">http://lakefarmbeef.co.nz/</a>, which sell very high quality beef processed into cuts and smallgoods.  They are more expensive than a supermarket.</p>
<p>Angus beef is generally considered to be pretty good.  I&#8217;d be interested in seeing the Farmgate prices if anyone wants to post them.  It could well be cheaper than buying from other places if they are doing bulk kills.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cow-pooling &#8211; save money on buying meat by Alan</title>
		<link>http://www.meateaters.co.nz/news/cow-pooling-save-money-on-buying-meat/comment-page-1/#comment-1075</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2012 10:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello to everyone that left a comment after the TVNZ Sunday programme. I can&#039;t really point any of you in the direction of where you can find a cow pooling service. 

The company featured on the programme was www.farmgatemeats.co.nz. They are based in the South Island but deliver anywhere for a fee. I got the feeling though that they aren&#039;t as cheap as buying a beast off TradeMe and then having it killed by a homekill service. To my mind what Sunday did is illegal under the law - they were not taking an &lt;i&gt;active&lt;/i&gt; role in caring for that animal for 28 days.

Good luck in your search. If you find any information be sure to let me know here at Meateaters. And of course, once you get your meat be sure to check back here to find some great recipes on how to cook it.

Cheers
Alan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello to everyone that left a comment after the TVNZ Sunday programme. I can&#8217;t really point any of you in the direction of where you can find a cow pooling service. </p>
<p>The company featured on the programme was <a href="http://www.farmgatemeats.co.nz" rel="nofollow">http://www.farmgatemeats.co.nz</a>. They are based in the South Island but deliver anywhere for a fee. I got the feeling though that they aren&#8217;t as cheap as buying a beast off TradeMe and then having it killed by a homekill service. To my mind what Sunday did is illegal under the law &#8211; they were not taking an <i>active</i> role in caring for that animal for 28 days.</p>
<p>Good luck in your search. If you find any information be sure to let me know here at Meateaters. And of course, once you get your meat be sure to check back here to find some great recipes on how to cook it.</p>
<p>Cheers<br />
Alan</p>
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		<title>Comment on Where to buy cheap meat by Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2012 10:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Penny

Thanks for finding Meateaters. Visits to this site grew exponentially as a result of the TVNZ Sunday programme so there&#039;s obviously a lot of interest in the purchase of good quality well-priced meat.

Have a look at another post I wrote called &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.meateaters.co.nz/news/homekill-regulations-in-new-zealand/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Homekill regulations in New Zealand&lt;/a&gt;, and the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.meateaters.co.nz/news/homekill-regulations-part-2/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;follow up to that one&lt;/a&gt; as well. 

Pete Cronshaw is right about you having to have owned the animal for 28 days and being &lt;i&gt;actively&lt;/i&gt; for it&#039;s well-being. I think, from my reading of the law, that he was pushing the law, because he wasn&#039;t caring for the animal directly himself. I think you&#039;d need to be travelling to the farm and be seen to be feeding it and caring for it, otherwise you&#039;ll be potentially liable for a hefty fine.

You&#039;ll be able to find more information here: &lt;a href=&quot;http://foodsafety.govt.nz/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Food Safety Authority&lt;/a&gt;

Thanks for visiting and good luck.

Cheers
Alan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Penny</p>
<p>Thanks for finding Meateaters. Visits to this site grew exponentially as a result of the TVNZ Sunday programme so there&#8217;s obviously a lot of interest in the purchase of good quality well-priced meat.</p>
<p>Have a look at another post I wrote called <a href="http://www.meateaters.co.nz/news/homekill-regulations-in-new-zealand/" rel="nofollow">Homekill regulations in New Zealand</a>, and the <a href="http://www.meateaters.co.nz/news/homekill-regulations-part-2/" rel="nofollow">follow up to that one</a> as well. </p>
<p>Pete Cronshaw is right about you having to have owned the animal for 28 days and being <i>actively</i> for it&#8217;s well-being. I think, from my reading of the law, that he was pushing the law, because he wasn&#8217;t caring for the animal directly himself. I think you&#8217;d need to be travelling to the farm and be seen to be feeding it and caring for it, otherwise you&#8217;ll be potentially liable for a hefty fine.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll be able to find more information here: <a href="http://foodsafety.govt.nz/" rel="nofollow">Food Safety Authority</a></p>
<p>Thanks for visiting and good luck.</p>
<p>Cheers<br />
Alan</p>
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